Social Protection Podcast

Ep. 44 | Social Registries and Beyond

Data and information systems are fundamental building blocks of social protection programmes. They all need a process and a mechanism for collecting, storing and processing data. However, developing these registries presents enormous challenges. Especially in finding ways for these to become truly dynamic, so that social protection systems can respond effectively to peoples’ changing circumstances, such as in the face of shocks. This is perhaps one of the greatest hurdles facing the sector.

In this episode, we’ll cut through the terminology and periodic controversy to talk about how these information systems work, and how to make them work better.

 

Meet our guests:

• Rodrigo Assumpção, President of DataPrev (Brazil)
• Valentina Barca, Independent Social Protection Expert

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Gabrielle Smith, Independent consultant and member of the STAAR Facility.

 

Episode resources:

Publication | Implementation Guide – Good Practices For Ensuring Data Protection And Privacy In Social Protection Systems

Publication | Passing the Buck: The Economics of Localizing International Aid

Ep. 43 | World Social Protection Report 2024-26

The World Social Protection Report is the ILO's flagship publication, offering an in-depth look at the state of social protection globally. The 2024-26 edition focuses on universal social protection as a key factor for just transitions and climate action. In this episode, we dive into the latest findings, exploring both the progress made and the gaps that remain. Our conversation covers how countries are working towards expanding social protection to address climate adaptation and mitigation. We'll examine Brazil’s and Gambia’s evolving policy landscape, and their ambitions for building and expanding social protection systems. 

 

Meet our guests: 

• Christina Behrendt, Head of the Social Policy Unit, ILO Universal Social Protection Department 

• Momodou K. Dibba, National Coordinator, National Social Protection Secretariat in the Office of the Vice President, the Gambia 

• Débora Freire, Deputy Secretary for Fiscal Policy, Ministry of Finance, Brazil 

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Naila Kabeer, Professor of Gender and Development at the Department of International Development, LSE. 

 

Episode resources: 

• Publication | World Social Protection Report 2024-26: Universal social protection for climate action and a just transition  

• Publication | World survey on the role of women in development 2024 - summary of key issues that will be covered in the report 

Bonus ep. | Partnerships for Social Protection: bridging divides, driving change

In the dynamic landscape of social protection, partnerships and collaborations serve as vital pillars of strength, innovation, inclusivity, and sustainability.

September marks the ninth anniversary of socialprotection.org. This year, we are celebrating partnerships for social protection throughout the month by highlighting the significance of alliances in amplifying social impact and ensuring inclusivity through key partnerships, instruments, and interagency mechanisms such as the Social Protection Inter-Agency Cooperation Board (SPIAC-B), the Global Partnership for Universal Social Protection (USP 2030), the G20, and the socialprotection.org platform itself.

In this bonus episode, we invited representatives from the ILO and the World Bank, who co-chair SPIAC-B and USP 2030, to discuss the importance of partnerships in navigating diverse perspectives and policies within global social protection. They speak candidly about the sometimes heated policy differences and debates within the sector and the importance of collaboration in bridging these divides and driving the progressive expansion of social protection worldwide.

It's a wide-ranging conversation about how far the sector has come and the significant challenges it will need to grapple with in the future.

 

Meet our guests:

• Shahra Razavi, Director of the Universal Social Protection Department, International Labour Organization (ILO)
• Iffath Sharif, Global Director for Social Protection and Jobs, World Bank Group 

Episode Resources:

• Publication | Social Protection in the Developing World
• Publication | Report of the Special Rapporteur on Extreme Poverty and Human Rights 2019

Ep. 42 | Social Protection in Latin America: Stratification, Politics and Influences

In this episode, we delve into the world of social protection with one of its foremost experts, Professor Armando Barrientos, Emeritus Professor of Poverty and Social Justice at the Global Development Institute, University of Manchester.

We discuss his groundbreaking new book, Social Protection in Latin America, and explore the argument that social protection systems or institutions are not just safety nets but also mechanisms of stratification. We also talked about what that means, why it matters, and how it shapes the lives of millions across the region.

Finally, we also examine the crucial role of politics in shaping social protection and debate whether Latin America should aspire to the European model of a welfare state. From the Latin American innovative approaches to their global influence and the future of social protection, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of social justice and public policy.

 

Episode resources:

• Book | Social Protection in Latin America. Causality, Stratification and Outcomes
• Task Force | Global Alliance against Poverty and Hunger
• Publication | The relationship between cash-based interventions and violence: A systematic review and evidence map

Ep. 41 | The Evolution of Universal Basic Income: From Pilots to Policy

Across the world, interest for universal social protection mechanisms has skyrocketed, in particular following the pandemic and its transversal effects on the poor, vulnerable and not so vulnerable populations. Social assistance mechanisms such as child benefits or elderly pensions have already had a history of encompassing the entire group with universal mechanisms in some countries; however, universal basic income (UBI) schemes are still in the stage of theoretical and policy discussion, without having been set up.

In this context, Brazil is an interesting case: in 2004, Brazil adopted a law that establishes a “Renda Básica de Cidadania” (Basic citizenship income). That effort was pushed by its rapporteur, Mr. Eduardo Matarazzo Suplicy, who was a senator at the time and a vigorous UBI advocate to this day. In this podcast episode, we will talk about how the Basic citizenship income came to be, the possible advantages of adopting an UBI, the main challenges and what lessons have been learned with the recent discussions on the theme.

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Jurgen de Wispelaere, discussing his recently launched publication at the International Social Security Review, a Specia Issue called ‘Emergency basic income: Distraction or opportunity’.

Meet our guests:

• Eduardo Suplicy, State Deputy of the Legislative Assembly of São Paulo
• Jurgen De Wispelaere, IPR Policy Fellow, Institute for Policy Research, University of Bath

 

Episode Resources:

• Publication: Special Issue: Themed double issue: Emergency basic income: Distraction or opportunity

Ep. 40 | SDGs, Social Protection and Evidence Building

The Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) are a global effort across a wide range of areas in which countries are working to achieve the targets set out by the international community. Social Protection can play a role in contributing to most of the SDGs. To ensure objectives are reached, building and using evidence as well as applying the necessary analytical tools are important to discuss.

In this episode we examine if investments in social protection could help accelerate progress towards the SDGs. We talk about the role of research, evaluation, and advocacy in driving change for policies and programmes towards achieving this ambitious agenda.

Meet our guests:

• Tayllor Spadafora, Social Policy Specialist, UNICEF Eastern and Southern Africa regional office.
• Michala Assankpon, Regional Evaluation Officer at the WFP regional bureau for Latin America and the Caribbean.

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Laurel Patterson, Director for the SDG Integration at UNDP.

 

Episode Resources:

• Publication | Regional Evaluation of WFP’S contribution to Shock-Responsive Social Protection in Latin America and the Caribbean (2015–2022)
• Publication | WFP Evaluation – Summary of Evidence. Social Protection.  
• Publication | Impact Evaluation Report External Evaluation of the Mchinji Social Cash Transfer Pilot
• Publication | Ghana LEAP 1000 Programme: Endline Evaluation Report
• Programme Profile| A Cash Plus Model for Safe Transitions to a Healthy and Productive Adulthood
• Website | SDG Push

Emerging Trends in the Indo-Pacific Series Ep. 3 | The Future of Climate Change and Social Protection Responses

Throughout the Indo-Pacific region, climate change is already threatening livelihoods and exacerbating poverty. Extreme weather events and rising sea levels are creating new vulnerable populations in unprecedented ways. To tackle climate change, countries will need to undergo major economic and social transformations, which could risk leaving even more people behind.

So, what do these changing risks mean for the way social protection is designed? And what kinds of radical rethinking might be necessary to build systems for the future? In this episode, our guests are grappling with these questions, working to reimagine social protection schemes to confront the realities of a changing climate.

This is the grand finale of a three-part series of the Social Protection Podcast titled "Emerging Trends for Social Protection in the Indo-Pacific," presented by socialprotection.org. We extend our gratitude to Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) for their invaluable support in shaping this series and facilitating connections with the most suitable guests for each episode.

 

Meet our guests:

• Sreng Sophornreaksmey, Director of the Policy Department at the General Secretariat for the National Social Protection Council for the Government of the Kingdom of Cambodia.
• Palash Kanti Das, Director of the Ultra-poor Graduation Program for BRAC in Bangladesh.
• Anna McCord, Lead for the Climate Change and Social Protection Research Initiative at the Poverty and Inequality practice.

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Inge Stockl, an independent social protection consultant working on a range of social protection assignments in the Asia Pacific region.

 

Episode Resources:

• Publication | Fiji Anticipatory Action
• Publication | On the Front Foot: Envisaging a model for anticipatory action in the Pacific.
• Publication | The Economics of Acting Early - Evidence of Climate and Disaster Actions in the Pacific
• Podcast | Emerging Trends in the Indo-Pacific Series Ep. 01 | The Evolution of SP in the Pacific

 

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As we produced this episode, numerous climate-change related disasters have occurred globally, including incidents in Brazil, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Kenya, Tanzania, and France.

As you will hear from our guests' discussions in this episode, the impacts of climate change are increasingly evident, leading to more frequent and severe disasters.

In addition to the social protection and humanitarian action provided by different actors, such as governments, NGOs, and international organizations, if you wish to support those affected by these and other natural disasters, please refer to official channels for ways to help. You can also contribute to the UN Central Emergency Response Fund’s Climate Action, which pools contributions from across the globe into a single fund and allocates money to humanitarian partners on the front lines of emergency responses when climate-related disasters strike.

Emerging Trends in the Indo-Pacific Series Ep. 2 | Social Protection for Gig Workers in Southeast Asia

In Southeast Asia the gig economy is growing fast. Attracted by the promise of flexibility, independence, and low entry costs, gig workers offer their services on a task-by-task basis facilitated through a digital platform or app. The appeal of this model has attracted millions of workers in the region, however, unlike traditional employees, gig workers often lack access to essential social protection schemes, such as health insurance, old-age pension, and unemployment benefits.

In this episode, we examine the challenges presented by this new employment trend. Workers often face precarious working conditions which leave them vulnerable to shocks and unexpected events.  We discuss how governments, unions, and the platforms themselves can work to bridge social protection gaps and extend coverage to this growing group.

This is the second episode of a three-part series titled "Emerging trends for Social Protection in the Indo-Pacific", presented by socialprotection.org. We extend our gratitude to Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) for their invaluable support in shaping this series and facilitating connections with the most suitable guests for each episode.

 

Meet our guests:

• Brendan Chia, Head, Regional Public Affairs and Policy for Grab.
• Francis Kim Upgi, Director of Economic and Social policy for ITUC
• Yesim Elhan-Kayalar, Advisor, Office of the Chief Economist at ADB

 

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Cyrus Afshar, Social protection Officer at WIEGO and host of WIEGO’s Informal Economy Podcast.

 

Episode Resources:

• Publication | Gig Economy Employment during the Pandemic: An Analysis of GrabFood Driver Experiences in the Philippines
• Publication | Social Protection as a Solar System
• Podcast | Informal Economy Podcast
• Publication | Challenges and strategies to increase social protection financing for workers in informal employment
• Webinar | Is social protection to blame for informality?
• Podcast episode | Challenging Global Social Protection Orthodoxies

Emerging Trends in the Indo-Pacific Series Ep. 1 | The Evolution of SP in the Pacific

This episode will explore the ways social protection has evolved in Pacific Island countries, starting with provident funds to the slow growth of lifecycle schemes for the elderly and people with disabilities. It will then look at how the COVID-19 crisis and the impacts of disasters and climate change have changed the way Pacific nations are thinking about social protection. 

This episode will ask, how do governments see the social protection landscape evolving in the future? Will countries continue to take a slow and gradual approach, focused on incremental growth of lifecycle schemes? Or has the growing interest from development partners and the growing pressures of climate change shifted priorities and approaches? 

This marks the inaugural episode of a three-part series focusing on emerging trends for Social Protection in the Indo-Pacific, presented by socialprotection.org. We extend our gratitude to the Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) for their invaluable support in shaping this series and facilitating connections with the most suitable guests for each episode. 

 

Meet our guests:

• Veremo Muria, Director, Fiji’s Department of Social Welfare (MWCSP) 
• Shirin Gul, Technical Specialist for Social Protection, Kiribati's Ministry of Women, Youth, Sports and Social Affairs (MWYSSA) 
• Karishma Houda, Team Leader, Partnerships for Social Protection (P4SP) 
  
  

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Lisa Hannigan, Senior Social Protection Specialist, Australian Government/Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT). Lisa discusses the significance of dignity in social protection, drawing from discussions and publications on the subject.  

 

Quick Wins 

• Publication | Crowding-out or crowding-in? Effects of LEAP 1000 unconditional cash transfer program on household and community support among women in rural Ghana

Ep. 36 | Gender-Transformative Social Protection

In today's episode, we delve into a pressing topic: the evolving landscape of social protection systems and their critical role in addressing the unique needs of women and girls throughout their lives.

There's a growing recognition of the importance of tailoring social programmes to meet these specific needs, but we're also becoming more aware of how these programmes may inadvertently perpetuate gender norms, assuming women's roles in work and caregiving.

Can social protection systems be a catalyst for change? Can they challenge the very structures and norms that perpetuate gender inequalities?

As we commemorate International Women's Day this month, join us as we explore the concept of gender-transformative social protection. We'll examine how these programmes and systems have the potential to drive transformative change, paving the way for a more equitable future.

 

Meet our guests:

• Tara Cookson, Canada Research Chair in Gender Development and Global Public Policy, University of British Columbia.
• Maja Gavrilovic, Social Protection Consultant.
• Lauren Whitehead, Social Protection and Gender Lead, UNICEF HQ.

For our Quick Wins segment, we are joined by Tia Palermo, president at Policy Research Solutions—PRESTO, and associate professor at the University of Buffalo. She shared insights and highlights from several recent papers in the field.

 

Resources

• Publication | Promoting Gender-Transformative Change through Social Protection:
  An analytical approach
• Publication | Social protection systems and gender: A review of the evidence
• Publication | Changing rural women’s lives through gender transformative social protection: A paper on gender transformative social protection concepts, evidence and practice in the context of food security and nutrition.

 Quick Wins

• Publication | Mapping gender and social protection data
• Publication | Leveraging social protection to support women’s and girls’ climate resilience in low- and middle-income countries
• Publication | Unconditional cash transfers and safe transitions to adulthood in Malawi